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SouthPhillyTillyman
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« on: November 01, 2009, 10:49:54 AM »
Just read in FAJ that there was an order for 20 rearmounts from Ferrara. Is this the beginning of the end for Seagrave?
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matt103
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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2009, 10:47:08 AM »
Tilly,

Ferrara has been working to get more FDNY contracts for a few years, since 2001.  Guess they just under bid Seagrave on the spec, but still a very tough spec that is put out by FDNY.  Not sure anyone will compete with Seagrave for the Tower Ladder bids though.
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Brian Mott
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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2009, 11:36:19 AM »
I read, I believe on another forum, that Seagrave was the low bidder but did not want all of the "conditions" that went with the contract (i.e. covering the truck bumper to bumper etc.).

As for the Tower Ladders, FDNY sent the first of the new Towers back because of some of the set-ups and it did not seem like Seagrave was willing to make the changes that they wanted. I believe that order is on hold...

Brian
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CE(M)11
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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2009, 12:00:42 PM »
Don't hold me to this, but I have been told second and third hand that the disagreement is in the electrical system.  My understanding is that FDNY wants a hybrid of hardwiring and multiplexing.  Seagrave believes that such an arrangement will lead to inevitable problems down the road and refuses to do it.  They will do either all multiplexing or all hardwiring. 

The truck(s) Seagrave built were done their way (don't know if it was all multiplexed or all hardwired) and FDNY refused to accept it (them).

I understand that Seagrave has it (them) for sale as demos.

Anyone with more authoritative info, please chime in. 
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Freddie
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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2009, 01:50:23 PM »
This topic isn't new its been on FDNYrants.com for few months and plenty of info about it there. Remember they already have a few Ferarra Engines Like E 54.
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Bob Dobalina
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« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2009, 03:30:04 PM »
Quote from: Freddie on November 03, 2009, 01:50:23 PM
This topic isn't new its been on FDNYrants.com for few months and plenty of info about it there. Remember they already have a few Ferarra Engines Like E 54.

If the rearmounts turn out to be like the engines (54,258, and 26), then they'll be GARBAGE!!!   I used to be assigned to 54 and drove that rig all the time.  It was out of service more than it was in service.
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cucc05
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« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2009, 06:13:10 PM »
Im pretty sure that engine 54 is a seagrave I could be wrong
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Freddie
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« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2009, 08:36:38 PM »
it's a 2003 Ferarra

http://fdnytrucks.com/files/html/manhattan/e54.htm
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bones15
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« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2009, 09:47:49 PM »
Quote from: cucc05 on November 03, 2009, 06:13:10 PM
Im pretty sure that engine 54 is a seagrave I could be wrong

I would think that if he was assigned to that Engine, he would know it was not a seagrave. Roll Eyes
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SouthPhillyTillyman
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« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2009, 11:21:05 PM »
Bob: wasn't 54's a donation after 9/11?
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The Shadow
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« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2009, 07:07:59 AM »
Quote from: SouthPhillyTillyman on November 03, 2009, 11:21:05 PM
Bob: wasn't 54's a donation after 9/11?

Negative. 54, 26 & 258 were purchased. They are 3-stage high pressure pumpers.
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Brian Mott
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« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2009, 09:18:50 AM »
I believe the Spartan and ALF are the donation piece's...

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SouthPhillyTillyman
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« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2009, 03:56:36 PM »
Thanks, Shadow.
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The Shadow
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« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2009, 04:17:59 PM »
Quote from: Brian Mott on November 04, 2009, 09:18:50 AM
I believe the Spartan and ALF are the donation piece's...Brian

They were. I am pretty sure that either the Spartan/Luverne or a Ferrara was donated to a department in Louisiana that lost everything during the hurricane. I think the ALF pumper has been designated a caisson.
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Wagon Master
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« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2009, 04:33:09 PM »
The ALF is on Govenors Island to provide fire protection out there. The original Ferrara Pumper was donated to New Orleans after Katrina. And the Spartan/Luvurn has been turned into the dedicated Funeral Caisson.
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